{"id":14831,"date":"2019-10-15T21:42:33","date_gmt":"2019-10-15T21:42:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/?p=14831"},"modified":"2022-02-07T23:45:26","modified_gmt":"2022-02-07T23:45:26","slug":"facebook-and-libras-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-week","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2019\/10\/15\/facebook-and-libras-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-week\/","title":{"rendered":"Facebook and Libra&#8217;s terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad week \u2014 everybody&#8217;s left, Dave"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2019\/06\/15\/facebookcoin-is-being-announced-on-tuesday-and-we-still-dont-know-why-its-a-crypto\/libra-ultra-thins\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-13784\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-13784\" src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/libra-ultra-thins.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/libra-ultra-thins.jpg 423w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/libra-ultra-thins-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/libra-ultra-thins-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>The Libra Association finally met in Geneva on Monday 14 October \u2014 with their remaining 21 members.<\/p>\n<p>The Libra board are: David Marcus from Facebook,\u00a0 Katie Haun from Andreessen Horowitz, Matthew Davie from Kiva, Wenceslao Casares from Xapo, and Patrick Ellis from PayU. Here&#8217;s the <a href=\"https:\/\/libra.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/Libra-Association-Charter-Press-Release-.pdf\">Libra press release.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Bloomberg details <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2019-10-15\/libra-association-board-members-have-ties-to-facebook-marcus\">how closely linked<\/a> all these board members are to Facebook, and to Marcus personally \u2014 though this level of interconnection is not abnormal for Silicon Valley boards.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/twitter.com\/anguschampion\/status\/1182759064205451266<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>PayPal left Libra on Friday 4 October, and on Friday 11 October they were <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2019\/10\/11\/ebay-drops-out-of-facebook-libra-cryptocurrency-one-week-after-paypal.html\">followed<\/a> by Mastercard, Visa, Stripe, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2019\/10\/11\/20910453\/libra-association-facebook-visa-mastercard-stripe-leaving\">Mercado Pago<\/a> and eBay. This leaves PayU as the only payments company still in the Association. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2019-10-14\/booking-holdings-is-latest-to-pull-out-of-libra-association\">Bookings.com<\/a> left on Monday 14 October.<\/p>\n<p>Two Senate Democrats, Sherrod Brown of Ohio and Brian Schatz of Hawaii, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.schatz.senate.gov\/imo\/media\/doc\/Signed%20Letters%20re%20Libra%20to%20Patrick%20Collison,%20Ajaypal%20Banga,%20and%20Alfred%20Kelly.pdf\">wrote to Visa, Mastercard and Stripe<\/a> on 8 October, saying &#8220;nice company ya got there, be a shame if Libra invited more regulator attention.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The senators&#8217; letter directly caused some of the companies to leave. \u201cSome companies\u2019 entire business models were publicly threatened by incredibly powerful senators, who threatened to subject them to higher levels of scrutiny if they even so much as had a Libra node on one of their servers,\u201d said one person to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/cbe4dc0c-edba-11e9-bfa4-b25f11f42901\">Financial Times.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Several founding members of the Libra Association told the FT that the first months of the project had been &#8220;dogged by inertia, fractures and fear of attracting regulatory attention &#8230; Some felt that Facebook had hyped up members\u2019 involvement before they had fully committed.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>According to another person who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/6e29a1f0-ef1e-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195\">spoke to the FT,<\/a> the payment companies discussed timing, and whether to pull out together.<\/p>\n<p>The final straw for the companies that left on Friday 11 October was when they heard that Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg would be <a href=\"https:\/\/financialservices.house.gov\/news\/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=404479\">testifying on Libra to the House Financial Services Committee on 23 October.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>US Treasurer Steve Mnuchin <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2019\/10\/14\/mnuchin-libra-backers-may-have-dropped-out-for-fear-of-enforcement.html\">spoke to CNBC<\/a> (video from 8:58) on Monday 14 October. He disputed that the senators&#8217; letters were &#8220;threatening,&#8221; calling them &#8220;clear&#8221;\u00a0\u2014 he&#8217;d met with Libra representatives, and told them that, if they don&#8217;t meet money-laundering standards, &#8220;we would take enforcement actions against them. And I think they realized that they\u2019re not ready, they\u2019re not up to par. And I assume some of the partners got concerned and dropped out until they meet those standards.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dante Disparte from Libra says there are 1500 companies interested in joining, with 180 of those being suitable prospects \u2014 including &#8220;sizable&#8221; banks. But some remaining members who spoke to the FT are still shaky, and speaking in terms of dominoes falling.<\/p>\n<p>Disparte admitted to the FT that Libra were unlikely to get all the regulatory approval they needed by 2020. He reiterated that Libra would not launch without regulators&#8217; approval in the US and Europe.<\/p>\n<p>David Marcus assures us that all of this is <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/davidmarcus\/status\/1182775730427572224\">actually <i>good<\/i> news for Libra.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Yup, it\u2019s \u201cnot great news in the short term\u201d. If it was a big deal when Libra launched to have MasterCard Visa PayPal onboard, then it\u2019s an equally big deal to see them go. <\/p>\n<p>Unless you\u2019re prepared to say that the launch press release itself was \u201cnot great news in the short term\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Steve Wilson (@Steve_Lockstep) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Steve_Lockstep\/status\/1183144771658731520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 12, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>When PayPal left, Libra <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-australia-49944421\">responded<\/a> that attempts to &#8220;reconfigure the financial system&#8221; would be hard. The financial system&#8217;s regulators turned out to have a few opinions on a company who proposed to &#8220;reconfigure&#8221; things without bothering to talk to them.<\/p>\n<p>European Union finance commissioner Valdis Dombrovskis pledged to propose new legislation to <a href=\"https:\/\/in.reuters.com\/article\/us-eu-commission-dombrovskis-idINKBN1WN0O6\">regulate virtual currencies<\/a> \u2014 which regulators hadn&#8217;t really cared about until Facebook proposed a huge systemic risk. There&#8217;s no specific time frame for this new legislation as yet. Dombrovskis has sent Libra a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/5c44826e-e78c-11e9-a240-3b065ef5fc55\">detailed questionnaire<\/a> on how it plans to handle money-laundering compliance and protection of personal data.<\/p>\n<p>(Hey, crypto people \u2014 you know how you keep asking for &#8220;regulatory clarity&#8221;? This is what it looks like.)<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Group_of_Seven\">G7 countries<\/a> have written a draft report, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/business-50037223\">seen by the BBC,<\/a> that outlines nine major risks posed by Libra-like cryptocurrencies. &#8220;The G7 believe that no stablecoin project should begin operation until the legal, regulatory and oversight challenges and risks are adequately addressed &#8230; Addressing such risks is not necessarily a guarantee of regulatory approval for a stablecoin arrangement.&#8221; The report will be presented to finance ministers at IMF annual\u00a0 meetings this week.<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Financial_Stability_Board\">Financial Stability Board<\/a> wrote to the finance ministers of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/G20\">G20 countries<\/a> on 13 October about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fsb.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/P131019.pdf\">current risks to financial stability<\/a> \u2014 including a section called &#8220;Potential financial stability issues from global stablecoins.&#8221; The G7 working group on stablecoins has handed off regulatory issues to the FSB \u2014 who will submit an issues note on global stablecoins to the October 2019 G20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors meeting, a consultative report to the G20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors in April 2020, and a final report in July 2020.<\/p>\n<p>Michael B. Greenwald says central bankers who think Libra is a reason for central bank digital currencies are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.belfercenter.org\/publication\/breaking-buck-what-libras-demise-means-central-banks\">falling for technobabble<\/a> \u2014 &#8220;the assumption that Libra\u2019s existence proves the need for a central bank digital currency is a misnomer that assumes Libra\u2019s practical adoption will follow.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Simon Morris, Libra&#8217;s head of product, quietly left in August \u2014 and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/technology\/2019\/10\/08\/facebooks-digital-currency-faces-questions-libra-association\/\">everyone just noticed.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/twitter.com\/anguschampion\/status\/1183008292823617537<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Scott Galloway <a href=\"https:\/\/www.profgalloway.com\/profg-coin\">called out Libra immediately,<\/a> in June. &#8220;Facebook&#8217;s arrogance has made them blind to the key component of every currency \u2014 trust &#8230; Governments won\u2019t let Facebook use its superpower \u2014 negligence \u2014 to disrupt their economy. Enabling genocide in Myanmar is one thing, but messing with our ability to buy Chick-fil-A and Land Rovers is another level.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>But I&#8217;m sure we can trust Facebook with our personal data. Look how well their pivot to privacy is going \u2014 Facebook\u2019s new &#8220;private&#8221; messaging app, Threads, wants to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/facebook-messaging-app-threads-location-fitness-activity-data-2019-10?r=US&amp;IR=T\">track your location 24\/7, monitor your battery, and even detect if you\u2019re working out.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Facebook&#8217;s planned non-crypto payment system, WhatsApp Pay, has been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pymnts.com\/cryptocurrency\/2019\/alipay-bans-crypto-transactions\/\">delayed again from launching in India<\/a> until they can guarantee that all data will be held locally, and, if processed outside, it needs to be brought back in 24 hours. WhatsApp Pay will use the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Unified_Payments_Interface\">Unified Payments Interface,<\/a> the existing instant payment system set up by banks in India.<\/p>\n<p>CoinFlex is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2019-10-07\/facebook-skeptics-now-have-derivatives-to-bet-on-libra-delays\">selling Libra futures<\/a>\u00a0\u2014 a bet on whether Libra even happens. They&#8217;re calling it an &#8220;Initial Futures Offering&#8221;, correctly matching the &#8220;Initial Sucker Offering&#8221; template that this sort of thing deserves.<\/p>\n<p>(The one plus point of Libra is that there&#8217;s nothing for people to put money into yet \u2014 because I&#8217;ve seen the Facebook groups full of people just waiting for the chance to put every penny they have into Libra. What they expect to gain from this is &#8230; not clear.)<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not clear what on earth this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.openlibra.io\/\">OpenLibra<\/a> thing is. It seems to be a bunch of promoters of failed ICOs, deciding to do their own <a href=\"https:\/\/decrypt.co\/10255\/blockchain-developers-announce-openlibra-a-permissionless-alternative-to-facebooks-libra\">permissionless Libra coin<\/a> that will be pegged 1-1 to the Facebook Libra. You&#8217;ll excuse me if I assume this has as much substance as the average ICO white paper, until they can demonstrate otherwise.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/twitter.com\/LibraReserve\/status\/1181960377564848129<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve also been doing the rounds as a pundit:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Guy Shone <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/GuyShone\/status\/1183862902303940615\">quotes me regarding Libra<\/a> on Euronews. (We didn&#8217;t manage to get audio, but I&#8217;ve done enough interviews entirely over Twitter DMs &#8230;)<\/li>\n<li>AMBCrypto: <a href=\"https:\/\/eng.ambcrypto.com\/facebooks-libra-may-not-launch-in-2020-as-association-questions-licensing\/\">Facebook\u2019s Libra may not launch in 2020 as Association questions \u2018licensing.\u2019<\/a> And, from last week, <a href=\"https:\/\/eng.ambcrypto.com\/facebook-could-tap-cryptocurrency-exchanges-to-build-their-libra-dreams\/\">Facebook could tap cryptocurrency exchanges to build their Libra dreams.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>I also did <a href=\"https:\/\/globalnews.ca\/toronto\/program\/kelly-cutrara\">Kelly Cutrara&#8217;s show<\/a> on Global News Radio Toronto 640 this morning \u2014 I&#8217;ll post this when it&#8217;s up.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<br><br><div align=\"center\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/bePatron?u=8420236\"><img src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/become_a_patron_button.svg\" alt=\"Become a Patron!\" title=\"Become a Patron!\" width=217 height=51><\/a><br><p style=\"align:center;\" class=\"patreon-badge\"><i>Your subscriptions keep this site going. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/bePatron?u=8420236\">Sign up today!<\/a><\/i><\/p><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;In a way it&#8217;s liberating&#8221; \u2014 David Marcus on almost all the payment companies leaving Libra.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1501,1489,466,444,1328,1502,745,1500],"class_list":["post-14831","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorised","tag-coinflex","tag-dante-disparte","tag-europe","tag-facebook","tag-libra","tag-openlibra","tag-united-states","tag-valdis-dombrovskis"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14831","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14831"}],"version-history":[{"count":20,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14831\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":21768,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14831\/revisions\/21768"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14831"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14831"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14831"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}