{"id":12413,"date":"2019-03-29T22:20:13","date_gmt":"2019-03-29T22:20:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/?p=12413"},"modified":"2021-04-24T23:10:11","modified_gmt":"2021-04-24T23:10:11","slug":"dentacoin-its-real-and-sincere-even-if-nobody-cares","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2019\/03\/29\/dentacoin-its-real-and-sincere-even-if-nobody-cares\/","title":{"rendered":"Dentacoin \u2014 it&#8217;s real and sincere, even if nobody cares"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p>Amazing: Thanks to explosive growth in Dentacoin the tooth fairy is now wealthier than Bill Gates<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">\u2014 <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NeerajKA\/status\/950178237061255168\">Neeraj K. Agrawal<\/a>, 8 January 2018<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2019\/03\/29\/dentacoin-its-real-and-sincere-even-if-nobody-cares\/dentacoin-logo\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-12425\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-12425 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-logo.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-logo.png 600w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-logo-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-logo-300x300.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/dentacoin.com\/\">Dentacoin<\/a> (DCN) is the instant punchline of obviously dumb crypto ideas. In real-world testing over the last couple of years, nobody can hear about &#8220;the cryptocurrency for teeth&#8221; without giggling. So I can&#8217;t really avoid writing it up for the planned ICO book.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s yet another scheme to issue a centrally-controlled token as industry-specific company scrip, with all the problems that implies. They can say &#8220;utility token&#8221; all they like \u2014 but it&#8217;s obviously a security in the US. There&#8217;s no reason professionals would take this over actual money. And trading is pretty much dead.<\/p>\n<p>People talk about Dentacoin like it&#8217;s just another ICO scam. The price peaked at 0.6575 cents with the crypto bubble, but has collapsed since, and the coin has approximately zero usage. But Dentacoin is completely sincere!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"jetpack-video-wrapper\"><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"735\" height=\"414\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/GntlhUrzqSw?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-GB&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>The Dentacoin Foundation<\/h3>\n<p>The Dentacoin Foundation was founded in the Netherlands on 3 March 2017 by Prof. Dr. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.researcherid.com\/ProfileView.action?returnCode=ROUTER.Unauthorized&amp;Init=Yes&amp;SrcApp=CR&amp;queryString=KG0UuZjN5WlU1qwmt%252Fo9tbUcR%252FG3BtnM0lS4PldBBQU%253D\">Dimitar Dimitrakiev.<\/a> Co-founders are Jeremias Grenzebach (the <a href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/Dentacoin\">core developer<\/a>) and Philipp Grenzebach.<\/p>\n<p>Despite being called a &#8220;foundation,&#8221; the company is actually a for-profit <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Besloten_vennootschap_met_beperkte_aansprakelijkheid\">B.V.,<\/a> which is closest to a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Public_limited_company\">public limited company<\/a> in British law \u2014 a private company limited by shares.<\/p>\n<p>The Dentacoin Foundation bought London tooth implant clinic <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dentaprime.co.uk\/\">Dentaprime F3T<\/a> in June 2017 for <a href=\"https:\/\/news.bitcoin.com\/pr-first-company-bought-entirely-with-dentacoin\/\">31.5 billion dentacoins.<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/beta.companieshouse.gov.uk\/company\/08654069\/persons-with-significant-control\">Dentaprime F3T PLC<\/a> is owned by <a href=\"https:\/\/beta.companieshouse.gov.uk\/company\/09471300\/persons-with-significant-control\">Dentaprime International PLC<\/a>, which was owned by Dentaprime Ead (Bulgaria) until 20 July 2017, and thence by Dentacoin B.V.<\/p>\n<p>Dentaprime F3T looks like a reasonably successful clinic \u2014 so that&#8217;s some steady income for the Foundation, at least. They also have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dentaprime.com\/\">Swiss Dentaprime<\/a> \u2014 which is actually based in Bulgaria.<\/p>\n<h3>The Dentacoin system<\/h3>\n<p>Dentacoin aims to set up a token-based economy that gets dentists paid, and encourages patients to better maintain their own dental health.<\/p>\n<p>The user pays a monthly fee to Dentacoin (though I can&#8217;t find how much it is) \u2014 this gets them ongoing treatment from a particular dentist. The dentist then gets a share of the fee that the user paid to Dentacoin.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/dentavox.dentacoin.com\/\">Dentavox<\/a> is a market research platform. <a href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/store\/apps\/details?id=com.dentacoin.dentacare&amp;hl=en\">DentaCare<\/a> is a mobile app that helps people maintain good dental health, and users can get Dentacoins through it. <a href=\"https:\/\/reviews.dentacoin.com\/\">Dentacoin Trusted Review<\/a> is reviews of dentists. There are 17 reviews at present, 11 of which are of Dentacare F3T \u2014 Dentacoin&#8217;s own clinic in London.<\/p>\n<p>User reviews are paid for in Dentacoins. The Dentacoin white paper suggests dentists can reward patients for reviews \u2014 and never mind the obvious conflict of interest.<\/p>\n<p>The app has 82 reviews on <a href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/store\/apps\/details?id=com.dentacoin.dentacare&amp;hl=en\">Google Play.<\/a> Some aren&#8217;t so positive:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8220;After two weeks, on 14s day, logged out on its own. When I logged back in, my 3k dcn disappeared. I have started from 1st day again, but feel much less enthusiastic now. I am afraid next time it occurs when I am on 89 day.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;Many times I am logged out because of Jason can parse error no routine is skipped. Even on completing I don&#8217;t get credit. Are are working with prof. Dev. Or just studying from internet and developing this application. On what basis of dcn count is anonymous.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;They reduced my coins by half automatically&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>The Dentacoin DCN token<\/h3>\n<p>The Dentacoin white paper has been updated from time to time. The current edition is<a href=\"https:\/\/dentacoin.com\/assets\/uploads\/whitepaper.pdf\"> v2.2,<\/a> dated 28 November 2018. The Internet Archive also has <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20180713041403\/http:\/\/www.dentacoin.com\/web\/white-paper\/Whitepaper-en1.pdf\">v2.1,<\/a> from 6 June 2018.<\/p>\n<p>Dentacoin is an <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/icos-magic-beans-and-bubble-machines\/\">ERC-20 token<\/a> running on Ethereum. It&#8217;s completely centrally-controlled. The white paper still tries for decentralisation cool points:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>According to Harvard Business Review: \u201cTo protect the blockchain vision from political pressure and regulatory interference, blockchain networks rely on a decentralized infrastructure that can&#8217;t be controlled by any one person or group.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Co-founder Philipp Grenzebach talked to Forbes contributor Kate Harrison and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/kateharrison\/2018\/04\/25\/dentacoin-is-providing-a-great-model-for-blockchain-based-health-care-startups\/\">listed<\/a> the usual extruded blockchain hype product \u2014 spurious claims of efficiency, data security, even banking the unbanked.<\/p>\n<p>The pre-sale period started 1 July 2017 \u2014 16,177,500,000 DCN distributed, at 8m DCN = 1 ETH. The public ICO was October 2017 \u2014 80b DCN, at 2.5m DCN = 1 ETH or 33m DCN = 1 BTC. The total raised in the ICO was about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/Dentacoin\/comments\/8fytdx\/dentacoin_ico_details_money_raised\/\">$2.6 million<\/a> (in cryptos).<\/p>\n<p>There are 8 trillion coins, in different token pools, locked for different time periods \u2014 the current circulating supply is <span data-format-supply=\"\" data-format-value=\"3.26822211298e+11\">326 billion<\/span>. A fixed quantity of Dentacoin will be released each year until 2042.<\/p>\n<p>Dentacoin used to be <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.dentacoin.com\/dentacoin-price-forecast-not-promise\/\">much more optimistic<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.is\/RZxeY\">archive<\/a>) about the price of DCN. They even had a <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20170616221929\/http:\/\/dentacoin.com\/calculator\">&#8220;calculator&#8221; page<\/a> where they&#8217;d show how incredibly rich you&#8217;d get off Dentacoins \u2014 where you could calculate how much you&#8217;d have when DCN reached $0.01, $0.10 or $1.00. They don&#8217;t have this any more.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Take Your Piece of the Cake<\/p>\n<p>Calculate the potential future value of your Dentacoins, fast and easy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2019\/03\/29\/dentacoin-its-real-and-sincere-even-if-nobody-cares\/dentacoin-calculator-2017\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-12463\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-12463\" src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-calculator-2017.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"299\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-calculator-2017.png 963w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-calculator-2017-300x150.png 300w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dentacoin-calculator-2017-768x383.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Dentacoins as money<\/h3>\n<p>The Dentacoin plan could only conceivably work if you assume cryptos <em>must<\/em> be worth something. This isn&#8217;t a safe assumption.<\/p>\n<p>The obvious problem with Dentacoin is the same as with every other industry-specific company scrip scheme that claims it&#8217;s totally selling a &#8220;utility token,&#8221; and definitely not a security \u2014 professional businesses run on actual money they can use.<\/p>\n<p>The system relies on users being able to buy in and cash out in a liquid and reliable manner. But trading in Dentacoin is all but dead.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/coinmarketcap.com\/currencies\/dentacoin\/#markets\">A few minor exchanges<\/a> deal in Dentacoin, with the majority of the volume being on <a href=\"https:\/\/latoken.com\/exchange\/ETH-DCN\">LATOKEN<\/a> and most of the rest being on <a href=\"https:\/\/hitbtc.com\/exchange\/DCN-to-BTC\">HitBTC.<\/a> The daily volume tends to be between <a href=\"https:\/\/coinmarketcap.com\/currencies\/dentacoin\/historical-data\/\">$25,000 and $100,000.<\/a> You can&#8217;t exchange it for actual money \u2014 only for other cryptos.<\/p>\n<p>Dentacoin&#8217;s price peak was 0.6575 cents on 8 January 2018 \u2014 giving a market cap of about $2 billion. As if you needed more evidence that &#8220;market cap&#8221; is a useless number.<\/p>\n<p>The coin&#8217;s price on 29 March 2019 was 0.005 of a cent, or about one satoshi if you&#8217;re counting in bitcoins. Market cap is about $16 million.<\/p>\n<p>You might ask why your dentist, or a chain of dentists, couldn&#8217;t just offer a loyalty card scheme. You&#8217;ll be unsurprised to know there are <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.launchloyalty.com\/2017\/05\/02\/how-dental-patient-loyalty-programs-work\/\">zillions of dentist loyalty schemes already.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Izabella Kaminska in FT Alphaville took the time in August 2017 to <a href=\"https:\/\/ftalphaville.ft.com\/2017\/08\/04\/2192233\/from-max-to-minimum-optionality-with-dentacoin\/\">bludgeon the idea into paste<\/a> on all the obvious issues \u2014 Dentacoin is less useful as money than Tesco Club Card points or Amazon vouchers, you don&#8217;t need a blockchain to run a loyalty card scheme &#8230; and we have widely-accepted conventional currencies for good reason.<\/p>\n<h3>Market penetration<\/h3>\n<p>Doctors are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2013\/03\/30\/your-money\/money-advice-for-doctors-and-lawyers.html\">not so great with money sometimes<\/a> \u2014 so they&#8217;re <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mdmag.com\/physicians-money-digest\/investing\/6-reasons-why-doctors-get-scammed\">favourite suckers<\/a> for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/finance\/personalfinance\/investing\/11266441\/More-than-20000-doctors-dentists-and-lawyers-tricked-by-investment-scams.html\">financial scams.<\/a> They have money, they have a high opinion of their own brilliance, and they&#8217;re gullible as hell when the topic isn&#8217;t medicine.<\/p>\n<p>However, so far the money appears to be flowing from Dentacoin B.V. to the dentists \u2014 the <a href=\"https:\/\/dentists.dentacoin.com\/\">pitch to dentists<\/a> is: &#8220;Free of charge advertising &amp; PR about our partnership; Onboarding bonus in Dentacoin (DCN) cryptocurrency.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Dentacoin&#8217;s front page claims &#8220;80+ Dentists, labs, suppliers accepting Dentacoin payments&#8221; \u2014 here&#8217;s the <a href=\"https:\/\/dentacoin.com\/partner-network\">partner network page.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I contacted <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dentaprime.co.uk\/dentalblog\/dentacoin-accepted-here\/dentacoin-accepted-here\/\">Dentaprime F3T<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dentalonflinders.com.au\/dentacoin\/\">Dental on Flinders<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.qadental.co.uk\/\">Quality Affordable Dentistry<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.contident.com\/page\/5\/\">Contident<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lifdental.com\/dentacoin\/\">LifDental<\/a> asking how patient use of Dentacoin at their clinics was going \u2014 that is, if anyone&#8217;s used it, ever. I&#8217;ll update if I ever hear back.<\/p>\n<h3>&#8216;Tis but a scratch!<\/h3>\n<p>The Dentacoin Foundation is convinced the future is still bright. They still run <a href=\"https:\/\/ids.dentacoin.com\/en\">booths at dentistry industry shows,<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.dentacoin.com\/\">blog<\/a> regulary, and post every day or two to Reddit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/Dentacoin\/\">\/r\/Dentacoin.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>At least they have actual businesses \u2014 the two clinics \u2014 that seem to be going okay. Perhaps they will achieve their dream of improved dental health, through the blockchain! But, probably not.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Tempting but I already have as much dentacoin as I need<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Neeraj K. Agrawal (@NeerajKA) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NeerajKA\/status\/945677787725168640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">December 26, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2019\/03\/29\/dentacoin-its-real-and-sincere-even-if-nobody-cares\/anna-george\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-12458\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-12458\" src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/anna-george.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"337\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/anna-george.jpg 1366w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/anna-george-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/anna-george-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/anna-george-1024x576.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><small>Why is Anna wearing lipstick to the dentist?<\/small><\/p>\n<br><br><div align=\"center\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/bePatron?u=8420236\"><img src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/become_a_patron_button.svg\" alt=\"Become a Patron!\" title=\"Become a Patron!\" width=217 height=51><\/a><br><p style=\"align:center;\" class=\"patreon-badge\"><i>Your subscriptions keep this site going. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/bePatron?u=8420236\">Sign up today!<\/a><\/i><\/p><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The instant punchline of obviously dumb crypto ideas. But still, Dentacoin persists!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1190,9],"class_list":["post-12413","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorised","tag-dentacoin","tag-ico"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12413","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12413"}],"version-history":[{"count":51,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12413\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":19287,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12413\/revisions\/19287"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12413"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=12413"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=12413"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}