{"id":10522,"date":"2018-10-24T19:42:10","date_gmt":"2018-10-24T19:42:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/?p=10522"},"modified":"2018-11-09T08:36:03","modified_gmt":"2018-11-09T08:36:03","slug":"initiative-q-is-doing-the-rounds-again-and-heres-qs-economist-on-bitcoin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/10\/24\/initiative-q-is-doing-the-rounds-again-and-heres-qs-economist-on-bitcoin\/","title":{"rendered":"Initiative Q is doing the rounds again \u2014 and here&#8217;s Q&#8217;s economist on Bitcoin"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In June, I <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/06\/24\/initiative-q-a-non-crypto-private-currency-marketed-by-pyramid-scheme\/\">posted about Initiative Q<\/a> \u2014 a startup that plans a new payment network and its own private currency.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/initiativeq.com\/\">Initiative Q<\/a> is collecting email addresses, and asking each respondent to get their friends to sign up for future Q tokens\u00a0\u2014 <em>right now, hurry hurry!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Initiative Q isn&#8217;t a cryptocurrency\u00a0\u2014 but it has a lot of similar bad ideas.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/06\/24\/initiative-q-a-non-crypto-private-currency-marketed-by-pyramid-scheme\/initiativeq\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-8136\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8136\" src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/initiativeq.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"80\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/initiativeq.png 400w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/initiativeq-300x60.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>The viral spam comes around again<\/h3>\n<p>My June post has taken off again \u2014 I&#8217;m seeing it all over Facebook, and the article&#8217;s gone from 500 hits most days to 4,000 hits on Monday, 24,000 yesterday and 30,000 so far today. It&#8217;s literally the third-most-popular thing I have ever written, anywhere, in my entire life.<\/p>\n<p>(Sign up to get blog <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/06\/24\/initiative-q-a-non-crypto-private-currency-marketed-by-pyramid-scheme\/#byemail\">posts by email!<\/a> Buy a <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/book\/\">book!<\/a> Sponsor <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/davidgerard\/overview\">the site!<\/a> Get me in to <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/10\/09\/blockchain-why-magic-probably-doesnt-happen-how-to-sell-a-hash-tree-as-a-tech-revolution-royal-holloway-thursday-4-october-2018\/\">do a talk!<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>Given it&#8217;s still the <em>only<\/em> detailed third-party post on what Initiative Q actually is so far, I expect this to continue.<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday morning, my stepdaughter posted the article link on her Facebook, to get her more gullible friends to stop advertising this rubbish \u2014 what a well-brought-up young woman.<\/p>\n<p>I recorded an interview about Initiative Q for BBC 5 Live &#8220;Up All Night,&#8221; which was broadcast around 4:46am this morning. It&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/programmes\/m0000t8g\">here on iPlayer<\/a> for UK readers (3:46 on), and I&#8217;ve put the audio up <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/GzlLHT-s3ZY\">here<\/a> for non-UK readers. I think this is the <em>first<\/em> coverage of Initiative Q in mainstream media.<\/p>\n<p>In the meantime, my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/Buttcoin\/comments\/8tuzy9\/initiative_q_a_notverycrypto_private_currency\/\">post to Reddit \/r\/buttcoin<\/a> on the subject is filling afresh with Initiative Q promoters, spamming their referral links. They also keep trying to comment on my previous post with referral links. With fans like that, initiativeq.com has a <em>great<\/em> future in social media URL blacklists.<\/p>\n<h3>What is Initiative Q?<\/h3>\n<p>Per my <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/06\/24\/initiative-q-a-non-crypto-private-currency-marketed-by-pyramid-scheme\/\">previous post,<\/a> Initiative Q has three stages:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>collect a network of prospective users who think you can get money for free;<\/li>\n<li>start a new payments network\u00a0\u2014 and all their a<em>stounding future<\/em> ideas for their new network are approximately what the UK payments network does now;<\/li>\n<li>run a private currency on that new network, with a monetary base of 2 trillion Q, each to be worth $1. For comparison, the cash supply for the whole of the UK \u2014 narrow money, M0 \u2014 is around <a href=\"https:\/\/fred.stlouisfed.org\/series\/MBM0UKM\">\u00a3481 billion.<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As far as I can tell, the purpose of the user list is so they can tell venture capitalists, &#8220;we have a user base of X million people, you should fund us.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The trouble with the user list is that it&#8217;s a list of people who think you can get free money from pyramid-style marketing. This means they&#8217;re hot prospects for future scammers \u2014 if that list ever leaks, it&#8217;s a toxic waste dump of personal data.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/10\/24\/initiative-q-is-doing-the-rounds-again-and-heres-qs-economist-on-bitcoin\/initiative-q-bitcoin\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-10541\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-10541\" src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/initiative-q-bitcoin.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/initiative-q-bitcoin.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/initiative-q-bitcoin-300x180.jpg 300w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/initiative-q-bitcoin-768x460.jpg 768w, https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/initiative-q-bitcoin-1024x613.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Isn&#8217;t that like a cryptocurrency?<\/h3>\n<p>Initiative Q isn&#8217;t a cryptocurrency, despite <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/initiative-q-bitcoin.jpg\">promoting itself as being like one<\/a> \u2014 but, its economist, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lawrence_H._White\">Lawrence H. White,<\/a> is interested in Austrian economics and &#8230; Bitcoin! He&#8217;s just posted <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cato.org\/blog\/bitcoin-after-10-years\">&#8220;Bitcoin After 10 Years&#8221;<\/a> for the Cato Institute.<\/p>\n<p>The post doesn&#8217;t mention Initiative Q (<b>edit:<\/b> yes it does, sorry! See comment from Prof White below) \u2014 but White does talk about &#8220;problems with the status quo payment system,&#8221; discuss Bitcoin&#8217;s problems as a payment system, and advocate a &#8220;stablecoin&#8221; as a better payment mechanism. He&#8217;s previously discussed how <a href=\"https:\/\/www.alt-m.org\/2018\/01\/11\/how-a-bitcoin-system-is-like-and-unlike-a-gold-standard\/\">Bitcoin is like, and unlike, a gold standard.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Austrian economist Friedrich Hayek advocated <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Denationalization_of_Money\">lots of competing private currencies<\/a> \u2014 and never mind when the US tried precisely that, with <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wildcat_banking\">wildcat banking<\/a> in the 19th century, which went so badly they passed the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/National_Bank_Act\">National Banking Act<\/a> in 1863. But advocating ideas that had <a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/the-conspiracist-gold-bug-economics-of-bitcoin\/\">already failed spectacularly<\/a> is nothing new for Austrian economics, or Bitcoin.<\/p>\n<p>White is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.econlib.org\/library\/Enc\/CompetingMoneySupplies.html\">&#8220;ehh&#8221; about Hayek&#8217;s private currency advocacy<\/a> \u2014 but he&#8217;s still trying to found a private currency here.<\/p>\n<h3>Should I sign up?<\/h3>\n<p>I think the chances are almost zero that you will get anything worth anything from signing up. You might get targeted by future spammers, though. Also, please stop spamming referral links.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong>Update: <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/2018\/10\/31\/initiative-q-a-response-from-saar-wilf\/\">A response from Saar Wilf of Initiative Q.<\/a><\/p>\n<br><br><div align=\"center\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/bePatron?u=8420236\"><img src=\"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/become_a_patron_button.svg\" alt=\"Become a Patron!\" title=\"Become a Patron!\" width=217 height=51><\/a><br><p style=\"align:center;\" class=\"patreon-badge\"><i>Your subscriptions keep this site going. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/bePatron?u=8420236\">Sign up today!<\/a><\/i><\/p><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My June post on Initiative Q takes off, I talk on BBC Radio about it, and Q&#8217;s economist talks about Bitcoin.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[743,749],"class_list":["post-10522","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorised","tag-initiative-q","tag-lawrence-h-white"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10522","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10522"}],"version-history":[{"count":24,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10522\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10755,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10522\/revisions\/10755"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10522"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10522"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidgerard.co.uk\/blockchain\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10522"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}