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	<description>arrogant pontification</description>
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		<title>Comment on Open Street Map beats Google Maps for business use. by David Gerard</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2012/01/12/open-street-map-beats-google-maps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-18122</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re paying Google to do the calculation, serve the tiles and so forth as a service. As Sebastian Delmont notes, they didn&#039;t actually save any money - doing it themselves costs them engineering time and hosting. But they have complete control and can&#039;t be gouged worse later, by anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re paying Google to do the calculation, serve the tiles and so forth as a service. As Sebastian Delmont notes, they didn&#8217;t actually save any money &#8211; doing it themselves costs them engineering time and hosting. But they have complete control and can&#8217;t be gouged worse later, by anyone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SOPA blackout post-mortem. by David Gerard</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2012/01/19/sopa-blackout-post-mortem/comment-page-1/#comment-18121</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, like America ;-) I&#039;ve had lots of good comments about the NPR piece too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, like America ;-) I&#8217;ve had lots of good comments about the NPR piece too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SOPA blackout post-mortem. by Jon Davies</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2012/01/19/sopa-blackout-post-mortem/comment-page-1/#comment-18120</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew! With a small team we did virtually the WHOLE of the UK media plus Russian and New Zealand and probably a few other places as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew! With a small team we did virtually the WHOLE of the UK media plus Russian and New Zealand and probably a few other places as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Street Map beats Google Maps for business use. by Kate</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2012/01/12/open-street-map-beats-google-maps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-18119</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That is way, way more expensive than going to the source of Google&#039;s data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That is way, way more expensive than going to the source of Google&#8217;s data.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Street Map beats Google Maps for business use. by Steve Bennett</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2012/01/12/open-street-map-beats-google-maps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-18046</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I don&#039;t really get why OSM is still so massively underfunded and undeveloped.  It&#039;s still where Wikipedia was in, oh, 2004? There are some real differences in the communities (partially, imho, because &quot;map makers&quot; and &quot;encyclopaedia makers&quot; have different personalities). And the community really hasn&#039;t matured in the way Wikipedia&#039;s did: there are *still* no policies, no guidelines, and a vehement belief that rules are bad, and lack of standardisation is a strength, not a weakness.

For all that, the OSM data is pretty good (in some parts of the world it&#039;s truly excellent), and there are lots of good tools out there.

What other rent-seeking business models? Well, we&#039;re basically talking about models that charge for access to large, slow-moving datasets. Business directories might be a good target - something OSM doesn&#039;t do well, but some third party could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t really get why OSM is still so massively underfunded and undeveloped.  It&#8217;s still where Wikipedia was in, oh, 2004? There are some real differences in the communities (partially, imho, because &#8220;map makers&#8221; and &#8220;encyclopaedia makers&#8221; have different personalities). And the community really hasn&#8217;t matured in the way Wikipedia&#8217;s did: there are *still* no policies, no guidelines, and a vehement belief that rules are bad, and lack of standardisation is a strength, not a weakness.</p>
<p>For all that, the OSM data is pretty good (in some parts of the world it&#8217;s truly excellent), and there are lots of good tools out there.</p>
<p>What other rent-seeking business models? Well, we&#8217;re basically talking about models that charge for access to large, slow-moving datasets. Business directories might be a good target &#8211; something OSM doesn&#8217;t do well, but some third party could.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Go try the new visual editor prototype. by techpractical</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/12/13/go-try-the-new-visual-editor-prototype/comment-page-1/#comment-17795</link>
		<dc:creator>techpractical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely awesome. I love stuff that uses contenteditable and this seems to be fairly polished from my quick play. Excellent stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely awesome. I love stuff that uses contenteditable and this seems to be fairly polished from my quick play. Excellent stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anyone who advocates advertising on Wikipedia is a drooling moron. by Feifumgotnn</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/01/05/anyone-who-advocates-advertising-on-wikipedia-is-a-drooling-moron/comment-page-1/#comment-17782</link>
		<dc:creator>Feifumgotnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t Wikipedia sign contracts for very specific, extremely conservative ads on some pages that help defer some of the costs of running the site? Or, do some sexually explicit pages contaminate every page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t Wikipedia sign contracts for very specific, extremely conservative ads on some pages that help defer some of the costs of running the site? Or, do some sexually explicit pages contaminate every page?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jimmy Wales facts. by bennylin</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2010/11/24/jimmy-wales-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-17714</link>
		<dc:creator>bennylin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you love it, Jimmy!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Chapters blog planet. by David Gerard</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/08/20/chapters-blog-planet/comment-page-1/#comment-16836</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh! Fixed :-)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Chapters blog planet. by Nemo</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/08/20/chapters-blog-planet/comment-page-1/#comment-16835</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link to the new planet actually links this page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to the new planet actually links this page.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chapters blog planet. by Sam Wilson</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/08/20/chapters-blog-planet/comment-page-1/#comment-16832</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The URL seems to be missing from that link.  :-)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Jimmy Wales facts. by Jimmy Wales</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2010/11/24/jimmy-wales-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-16754</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epic! :-)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Dave Bird, R.I.P. by George</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2008/02/13/dave-bird-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-16175</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another XYL checking in, my facebook found dave a few years too late, still remember him from Young Liberal daze days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another XYL checking in, my facebook found dave a few years too late, still remember him from Young Liberal daze days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dave Bird, R.I.P. by Kathy Smith</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2008/02/13/dave-bird-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-16129</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have very fond memories of Dave from the days of the 1980&#039;s Young Liberals (see Facebook), he was kind, funny, passionate about his politics and had an uncanny ability to totally disconcert David Steel (who was leader of the Liberal Party at the time) Rock on Dave wherever you are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have very fond memories of Dave from the days of the 1980&#8242;s Young Liberals (see Facebook), he was kind, funny, passionate about his politics and had an uncanny ability to totally disconcert David Steel (who was leader of the Liberal Party at the time) Rock on Dave wherever you are!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The FSF is still pushing the GFDL. Ignore them. by Kaldari</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/05/27/the-fsf-is-recommending-the-gfdl-ignore-them/comment-page-1/#comment-15904</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaldari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 03:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree with you more. The fewer people use the GFDL the better. Please use CC-by-sa, CC-by or Public Domain/CC-zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree with you more. The fewer people use the GFDL the better. Please use CC-by-sa, CC-by or Public Domain/CC-zero.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The New York Times hands the first draft of history over to the BBC and Guardian. by David Gerard</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/03/18/the-new-york-times-hands-the-first-draft-of-history-over-to-the-bbc-and-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-15574</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m wrong, then excellent! Where did you see these ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m wrong, then excellent! Where did you see these ones?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The New York Times hands the first draft of history over to the BBC and Guardian. by Lodewijk</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/03/18/the-new-york-times-hands-the-first-draft-of-history-over-to-the-bbc-and-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-15572</link>
		<dc:creator>Lodewijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, what do you base the assumption on that media do not donate? Did you consider the possibility that they might donate (but not as much as you would like perhaps) but do not want to disclose that fact? I know at least of two media organizations that donated money last fundraiser - and I have only seen a fraction of the donations made to the Wikimedia Movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, what do you base the assumption on that media do not donate? Did you consider the possibility that they might donate (but not as much as you would like perhaps) but do not want to disclose that fact? I know at least of two media organizations that donated money last fundraiser &#8211; and I have only seen a fraction of the donations made to the Wikimedia Movement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The New York Times hands the first draft of history over to the BBC and Guardian. by Peter da Silva</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/03/18/the-new-york-times-hands-the-first-draft-of-history-over-to-the-bbc-and-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-15388</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter da Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not like reporters never re-use the content of each other&#039;s articles without compensation. They don&#039;t get ragged about it unless they &quot;forget&quot; to attribute it. And Wikipedia is downright grindstone about attribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not like reporters never re-use the content of each other&#8217;s articles without compensation. They don&#8217;t get ragged about it unless they &#8220;forget&#8221; to attribute it. And Wikipedia is downright grindstone about attribution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The secret of motivating volunteers. by S.P.Zeidler</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/02/26/the-secret-of-motivating-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-15188</link>
		<dc:creator>S.P.Zeidler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re getting women (or anybody else) to participate:
The two beginnings of an article I wrote (because there was a link into nowhere, and I knew about the topic and could produce some basic facts without lots of effort) both got deleted; the links point nowhere again. Someone explain to me why I should go to even that little effort again, seeing as my time is likely to be wasted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re getting women (or anybody else) to participate:<br />
The two beginnings of an article I wrote (because there was a link into nowhere, and I knew about the topic and could produce some basic facts without lots of effort) both got deleted; the links point nowhere again. Someone explain to me why I should go to even that little effort again, seeing as my time is likely to be wasted?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The secret of motivating volunteers. by David Gerard</title>
		<link>http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2011/02/26/the-secret-of-motivating-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-15115</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 17:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually found it in a six year old email I tripped over, which ended with a note &quot;I might make this into a post&quot; :-) I think it&#039;s apposite given the recent concern over getting women to participate, and getting people in general to participate. Wishful thinking won&#039;t make it happen - it needs to be approached with a testable theory in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually found it in a six year old email I tripped over, which ended with a note &#8220;I might make this into a post&#8221; :-) I think it&#8217;s apposite given the recent concern over getting women to participate, and getting people in general to participate. Wishful thinking won&#8217;t make it happen &#8211; it needs to be approached with a testable theory in hand.</p>
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